“22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” – 1 John 2:22-23
The origins of the modern resurgence of modalism began in April 1913 during a major Pentecostal camp meeting in Arroyo Seco, near Los Angeles, California. R.E. McAlister preached a sermon on Acts 2:38 where he argued that baptism was to be done in the name of Jesus only and not with a Trinitarian formula. John Scheppe was greatly influenced by the message and in prayer that night encountered a type of “revelation” or mystical experience (likely demonic) confirming the power of the name of Jesus.
Many Oneness teaches one has to speak in tongues as a sign of salvation, which is a false and dangerous doctrine. Moreover, they believe in baptismal regeneration.
Just like all cults, they think only they are saved.
The largest of these Jesus Only churches is the United Pentecostal Church, and in all about 25% of Pentecostals in the USA are unitarian or deny the Trinity. Other denominations include The Bible Way Churches of Our Lord Jesus Christ; The Church of Jesus Christ; Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God, Inc.; Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ; Pentecostal Assemblies of God; Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ; Pentecostal Assemblies of The World; and the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith.
They often teach the Trinity is a belief in 3 Gods, or that it is a doctrine created by the Roman Catholic Church. But the Trinity is not about 3 Gods, and the teaching of the Trinity was clearly present well before the existence of the Catholic Church.
If God is Unitarian, then Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, and other Unitarian groups are right and Christianity is wrong. Biblically, however, the only true God is Trinitarian: One God who exists in three Persons and one substance.
If there is no Trinity, there would be no incarnation, no objective redemption, and therefore no salvation; for there would be no one capable of acting as a Mediator between man and God.
When Jesus declared that “There is another that beareth witness of me” (John 5:32), this must mean that Jesus is not the Father. The Bible declares that the Father sent the Son and that the Son sent the Holy Spirit, we must be dealing with distinct Persons. For one person to send another person requires two Persons, not one Person.
If Jesus alone is God, and the Spirit, Son, and Father His sequential modes, and they cannot co-exist, how is Jesus baptized and simultaneously the Spirit descends as a dove and the Father declares, “And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matt. 3:17)?
Other scriptures where the Persons of the Godhead are often seen simultaneously, and they often interact with one another: Genesis 1:26; 3:22;11:7; Psalm 2:7; 104:30; 110:1; Matthew 28:19; John 14:16.
Like most cults, the United Pentecostal Church believes they are restoring biblical doctrine and biblical teaching that had been lost because of the supposed corruption of the church throughout the centuries. The fact is, all they are doing is reviving the ancient heresy of modalism that has been rejected by the Church.
Robert Bowman stated:
The apostle John warns us, “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also” (1 John 2:23). Oneness Pentecostals will not admit to denying the Son, of course; but that should come as no surprise. It is doubtful that any heretic, including those about whom John specifically warned, has ever admitted to denying the Son. Instead, heretics of all kinds have simply redefined the meaning of the term “Son” (and along with it the meaning of “Father”). Thus the Jehovah’s Witnesses define “Son” as “direct creation,” while the Mormons claim that Jesus is the “Son” of God and by virtue of having been begotten through physical union between God and Mary. The oneness redefinition of “Son” as the human nature of Jesus (and “Father” as His divine nature) may be less offensive than the Mormon version, and less obvious than that of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but it is a redefinition nonetheless. The fact is that the Son and the Father are two persons, co-existing eternally in relationship with one another. To deny this fact is to deny the biblical Son and thus to have a false view of Jesus.
(Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions, pgs. 374-375)
God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ are distinct and clearly differentiated
“13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.” (Daniel 7:13-15; Cf. Matt. 24:30, 26:40; Mark 13:26, 14:62)
“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?” (Prov. 30:4)
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” (Mark 16:19)
“55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:55-56)
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 1:3)
“Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;” (2 Cor. 1:3)
“Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Tim. 1:2)
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1 Tim. 2:5)
“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” (2 John 3)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.”(John 1:1)
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.” (John 15:1)
“As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.” (John 15:9)
“Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.” (NASB; Revelation 14:1)
God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons or Individuals
“4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.” (1 Cor. 12:4-6)
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.” (2 Cor. 13:14)
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matt. 28:19)
“4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Eph. 4:4-6)
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.” (1 Pet. 1:2)
“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;” (Rom. 15:30)
“For through him [Jesus] we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” (Eph. 2:18)
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” (John 14:26)
“But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.” (Jude 20-21)
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter [the Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever;” (John 14:16)
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:” (John 15:26)
“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.” (Acts 2:33)
“21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.” (2 Cor. 1:21-22)
“16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matt. 3:16-17; cf. Mark 1:10-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:33-34)
Revelation 5 reveals the THREENESS of the Trinity. We see the Lamb who was slain (Jesus). In verse 7, this Lamb who was slain walks up to the one who is sitting on the throne. The identity of the one on the throne in heaven is God the Father. They are apparently two distinct persons. Jesus is clearly seen taking the scroll out of the Father’s hand. Jesus is not the same person as the Father! The seven Spirits referenced in Revelation 5 are likely the seven-fold descriptions of the Holy Spirit (Cf. Isaiah 11:1-2)
“6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.” (Revelation 5:6-7)
The Sender (the Father) and the One Sent (Jesus) reveal two distinct Individuals rather than One
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38)
“And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.” (John 8:16)
“17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” (John 8:17-18)
“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.” (John 8:29)
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42)
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)
“Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.” (John 20:21)
There was a distinction before Christ incarnated
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” (John 16:28)
“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:… Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.” (Heb. 10:5,7)
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)
“Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24)
“6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:” (Phil. 2:6-7)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
Jesus is the Mediator, Advocate, and Intercessor for believers with God the Father
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.” (Matt. 10:32)
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1 Tim. 2:5)
“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” (Rom. 8:34)
“Wherefore he [Jesus] is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.” (Heb.7:25)
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:” (1 John 2:1)
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.” (Rev. 3:5)
The Father is never referred to as “Jesus,” however Christ the Lord, the Son of God, is specifically called “Jesus”
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor. 1:3)
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)
“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1 Cor. 8:6)
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:” (Eph. 1:3)
“Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,” (2 Thess. 2:16)
“Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.” (1 Thess. 3:11)
“To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.”(1 Thess. 3:13)
“That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” (1 John 1:3)
The Lord Jesus Christ is revealed to have a God and Father (who obviously is not identified as Jesus Christ).
“The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.” (2 Cor. 11:31)
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17)
“Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9)
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3)
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:” (Eph 1:3)
“Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;” (2 Cor. 1:3)
“And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” (Rev. 1:6)
“Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.” (Rev. 3:2)
“12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” (Rev. 3:12)
The Lord Jesus is sometimes revealed to be subordinate or submitted to God the Father (before His incarnation, during His incarnation, and subsequent to His resurrection)
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42)
“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19)
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38)
“Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”(John 8:28)
“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10)
“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
“And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.” (1 Cor. 3:23)
“27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:27-28)
Quotes from early Christian writers affirming distinct Persons of the one God who coexisted eternally before the Roman Catholic Church:
140 AD Aristides “[Christians] are they who, above every people of the Earth, have found the truth, for they acknowledge God, the creator and maker of all things, in the only-begotten Son and in the Holy Spirit” (Apology 16).
150 AD Justin Martyr “God speaks in the creation of man with the very same design, in the following words: ‘Let us make man after our image and likeness’ . . . I shall quote again the words narrated by Moses himself, from which we can indisputably learn that [God] conversed with someone numerically distinct from himself and also a rational being. . . . But this Offspring who was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with him” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 62).
150 AD Polycarp of Smyrna “I praise you for all things, I bless you, I glorify you, along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, with whom, to you and the Holy Spirit, be glory both now and to all coming ages. Amen” (Martyrdom of Polycarp 14).
180 AD Irenaeus “But the Son, eternally co-existing with the Father, from of old, yea, from the beginning, always reveals the Father to Angels, Archangels, Powers, Virtues…” (Against Heresies, Book II, ch. 30, section 9)
180 AD Irenaeus “It was not angels, therefore, who made us, nor who formed us, neither had angels power to make an image of God, nor any one else, except the Word of the Lord, nor any Power remotely distant from the Father of all things. For God did not stand in need of these [beings], in order to the accomplishing of what He had Himself determined with Himself beforehand should be done, as if He did not possess His own hands. For with Him were always present the Word and Wisdom, the Son and the Spirit, by whom and in whom, freely and spontaneously, He made all things, to whom also He speaks, saying, “Let Us make man after Our image and likeness; ” [Gen. 1:26]” (Against Heresies 4:20:1).
190 AD Clement Of Alexandria “I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father.” (Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
190 AD Clement Of Alexandria “When [John] says: ‘What was from the beginning [1 John 1:1],’ he touches upon the generation without beginning of the Son, who is co-equal with the Father. ‘Was,’ therefore, is indicative of an eternity without a beginning, just as the Word Himself, that is the Son, being one with the Father in regard to equality of substance, is eternal and uncreated. That the word always existed is signified by the saying: ‘In the beginning was the Word’ [John 1:1].” (fragment in Eusebius History, Bk 6 Ch 14; Jurgens, p. 188)
200 AD Tertullian “All the Scriptures give clear proof of the Trinity, and it is from these that our principle is deduced…the distinction of the Trinity is quite clearly displayed.” (Against Praxeas, ch 11)
200 AD Tertullian “Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These Three are, one essence, not one Person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are One’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of Being not singularity of number” (Against Praxeas, 25)
225 AD Origen “Nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification.” (De Principis, Book I, ch. 3, section 7)
The Didache is a very old document which was believed to have been written between the year of 65 and 80 A.D. It is also called the “Teaching of the 12 Apostles.” The Didache is not Scripture, but it is clearly an ancient document and sheds light on what the early church was doing in the first century and what the baptismal formula was.
“But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water,” (Didache 7:1).
If you don’t know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you can receive Him into your heart and He can deliver you from darkness and sin and have your name written in His Book of Life.
If you are sincere, you can say this simple prayer to the Father (it doesn’t have to be word for word):
“God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. Please forgive me of all of my sins just as I forgive others. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross, I believe in my heart Jesus is Lord and was raised from the dead and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart and be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by sin, or the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life. Those days are in Your hands. I ask this in the Lord and GOD Jesus’ precious and holy name. Amen.”
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Not at all, very badly written article. With weak points to back up the argument.
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Care to give details?
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Trinity isn’t used in the bible, God is One. How is there a coequal coeternal son that was begotten? If Jesus himself said why do you call me good? God alone is good… I go to my Father who is greater than I. This is the Lamb of God or the Son of man speaking the flesh part. How is this coequal. All authority has been given unto me in heaven and on earth then what happened to the other coequal coeternal Gods? Jesus is God manifest in the flesh! Jesus is the everlasting Father, mighty God!(Isaiah 9). I AM! There is one Spirit God is a Spirit we must worship Him in Spirit and in truth! If there is but One Spirit how can there be a coeternal coequal spirit? There isn’t! God the Father is the Holy Spirit! The idea of Jesus baptism being solid ground for the trinity isn’t very solid! Remember it’s a vision only John can see so he knows who the Christ (anointed of God) is. If God can be in a burning bush He can be in the son of man and in heaven at the same time, don’t think he will have a problem with the vision he showed John. If you aren’t soposta have any gods before me and you got 3 coequal coeternal gods how would that not be idolatry? I just pray to Jesus (Jehovah salvation, Emanuel) and I got the fullness of the God head ( singular Deity) look it up! Godhead isn’t plural!
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The word “Bible” isn’t used in the Bible.
God is One being manifested in 3 distinct Persons who coexist simultaneously.
Jesus never died He was God. Of course He is good. Jesus called Himself the Good Shepherd.
Jesus humbled Himself as a Servant while the Father was in heaven. That is how Jesus can say the Father is greater.
I agree Jesus is God in the flesh but the Father is distinct from Him.
The Trinity is not 3 gods.
Scriptures that disproves Oneness theology:
John 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 5:19-20
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Philippians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Revelation destroys the Oneness position:
In verse 6, we see the Lamb who was slain. This is universally accepted to be Jesus. Other passages make this very clear. There is no dispute on this point. But verse 7 is the kicker. This Lamb who was slain walks up to the one who is sitting on the throne. The identity of the one on the throne in heaven is also undisputed. This is God, the Father.
But if, as the Oneness Pentecostals claim, Jesus IS the Father, then how can Jesus walk up to the Father? Why can everyone see both the Father and the Son at the same time? They see two persons simultaneously. IF Jesus IS the Father, why would He have to take the scroll out of the Father’s hand? He’d already be holding the scroll if He was the Father – no need to take it out of someone else’s hand. What would be the point of this whole charade if Jesus and the Father were the same person?
It is absolutely clear that Jesus is NOT the same person as God, the Father. Oneness Pentecostals are completely debunked.
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Hi, I myself am what you would call a “oneness Pentecostal” or apostolic. I can’t speak for everyone who believes in oneness, but for our organization (if you want to call it that) I can. We DO believe that God can manifest himself as all three-the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. He can do so all at the same time. God is omniscient, omnipotent, and our earthly minds can not fathom all that he can do. However, we do not believe they are separate dietys (Deuteronomy 6:4).
As far as baptism in Jesus name, this is what the apostles did in the New Testament. No where in the New Testament is it recorded that someone was baptized in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:5).
I don’t mean any ill will towards this post, just felt like I needed to clarify. God bless and I hope you have a blessed day.
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The Bible is clear that The Father, the Son, and Jesus Christ coexist simultaneously. For instance when Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and the Father spoke from heaven: “When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”” (Matt. 3:16-17).
Trinitarians don’t believe in 3 separate deities.Trinitarians affirm monotheism – the One God existing in 3 distinct Persons who coexist simultaneously.
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Just a few points to address here. I understand we have very different views of scripture and who God is. I am not here to bash you or paint you with a broad brush as you did oneness Pentecostals.
1. I don’t know of any oneness Pentecostals that believe God cannot be incarnate and in spirit at once. Most of us use the Bible (not traditional writings or organizational dogma) as our authority which clearly states that God is omnipotent.
2. Only God can eternally judge. I am sorry if you have had a bad experience with a oneness Pentecostal. I can see what the scripture says about who God is and what His plan is to redeem man, therefore,I have been commissioned to share that. What I, not any other oneness Pentecostal, can do is say who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. That is Gods job. So as it may be true for cults as you said I do not believe that the UPCI believes that we are the only ones saved.
3. There is really no need for a lot of debate regarding biblical baptism. I know many base their teachings off of the didache and other historical writings, but we believe the Bible is the authoritative Word of God. The Bible only provides examples of baptism is a singular name, not titles.
4. I noticed contradictions in your ancient references. Your point would be driven a lot stronger if trinitarians where more cohesive in their beliefs. I see where one writer stated there was an order or hierarchy (1. Father 2. Son 3. Holy Ghost) where another of your references said that they were equal.
This comment is not an attack nor is it intended to demean you or your beliefs. I admire your passion to proclaim truth, even if misguided.
With love and prayer,
Marshall
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Point # 2 correction:
*Not I, nor any other…
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“4. I noticed contradictions in your ancient references. Your point would be driven a lot stronger if trinitarians where more cohesive in their beliefs. I see where one writer stated there was an order or hierarchy (1. Father 2. Son 3. Holy Ghost) where another of your references said that they were equal.”
All three Persons are equal in nature and essence. Not equal in terms of authority.
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Now stop lying. No they do not. Catholics say there’s three persons, from whom you got this trash talk. “Trinity…. the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.” Now, Mariology is a tradition like the trinity which was Coined by Tertullian 170 years after Jesus left and over 130 years after all the Apostles died. It was adopted by Catholics both the father and son as equal in 325 and then they Holy Spirit as a third equal partner in this demonic dialectic in 380. Show me one two or three verses that call God the blessed trinity, the holy trinity instead of what he calls and is himself, the holy one. Show me verses of text to worship Mary, call God a trinity or say a sinner’s prayer for salvation. Anything can be taken out of context. Satan did this to Jesus in Matthew 4. You are doing it now by baptizing in the one scripture verse of Matthew 28:19. Your refuse Jesus and his apostles who all baptized in his name in Acts 2:38, 8:12-16, 18:8, 19:5, 22:16, Galatians 3:26-27, Romans 6:3-5. You worship the devil.
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I’m a father, I have a son and the holy Spirit. I’m created in God’s image. Am I a triad in unity? No. Thus, God says, “O earth, earth, earth….” Are there 3 earths? No. God says he is a holy one some 21 times in Isaiah alone. Nowhere a triad can be found. Not one verse of text in scripture call him a triad, trinity or three persons which the trinitas means, it was invented by Tertullian in 200 AD, a lying lawyer. Your deceiving yourself if you call the one true Yahweh a triad in unity, that’s Platonic thought, paganism and Babylonian harlotry. Now, here’s what the godless Catholics say of their lie.
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.]. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.
“No trinitarian doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament. Sophisticated trinitarians grant this…Christians admit that their preferred doctrine of the Trinity not only can’t be inferred from the Bible alone, but also that there’s inadequate or no evidence for it there, and even that what is taught in the Bible is incompatible with the doctrine. ” Stanford College, under Platonic Trinity https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html
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There is no such thing as a trinity.
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Yes there is.
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To Anonymous
A difference that makes no difference is no difference at all.
Your argument can be used to show the Trinity is true.
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Trinity is a woman’s name. Why are we using a woman’s name to describe a MALE God?
Also, Jesus makes it clear on multiple occasions that he is subordinate to God and is here to fulfill God’s law. He is still bound by God the Father’s law.
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‘Trinity is My Name’ is a very corny Italian western based strongly on the Clint Eastwood westerns.
Trinity is a bloke. So …
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Just read the whole thing again.
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It is worth noting that Unitarianism used to be the dominant view of the church
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Nothing here is teaching doctrine scriptural doctrine. Your trinity is a lie from the devil. It was created may years ago, it was first taught by a ditheist named Tertullian Greek lawyer in 200 AD, and adopted around 325-381 for the completed triune false Catholic doctrine. Show me one verse of text that says God is anything but the holy One of Israel as said some 21 times in Isaiah alone. Nobody, not Matthew, John nor even Jesus taught a trinity. God is one. Now, God is the father in creation, son in redemption and Holy Spirit in regeneration. Nevertheless the you can’t prove the trinity by God’s word, even your Catholic brothers say this. Here’s their lie and record devil worshippers. “The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. The word “Trinity” does not occur in the Bible nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament. The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life.” Yeah, the mystery of iniquity from the mother harlot and her protestant daughters. It’s not there because it’s a false teaching, Paul called it a cursed one in Galatians 1:6-12.
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